NJSEA Abuse v. ESC: Binkley’s Story

By: Dave Martinez | July 22nd, 2008
   

NJSEA – The New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority – serves as facility management and security firm for Giants Stadium, current home of the Red Bulls. Giants Stadium is a huge venue, used for all forms of entertainment, which can seat upwards of 70,000 people. I am talking music festivals, American Football, concerts, gatherings – you name it, they have seen and done that.

Then what makes soccer so different?

In the latest of a long line of infractions (like this one or this one), NJSEA security guards once again collided with the clubs largest and oldest supporters group, the ESC (Empire Supporters Club). The result? Multiple lifetime bans. Were some deserved? Probably. Were they all? Probably not.

One story that has struck a strong chord with Red Bull supporters was the Lifetime Ban given to 2006 Fan of the Year and season ticket holder, Thomas Binkley. Binkley, or “Binks” as he is referred to, is an instrumental part of the Red Bull fans support structure. He organizes road trips, is a long time member of the ESC, and has supported the team through years of mediocrity and ownership changes – all from his home in Virginia! Yes, he actually travels down to every home game to take in the action, from deep in the heart of enemy (DC) territory.
Thats dedication.

I spoke to Binks about the situation. Here is his take on the events that took place:

What happened? What were you accused of?

I got into a verbal altercation with a woman and her husband after they asked me not to swear at the field. I took offense to this and used choice words to clearly explain that I was not going to be responsible for shielding her children’s ears. The woman yanked her kid up out of the chair and ran for the nearest usher. Her husband started to say something to me and I cut him off and asked how much he bought his tickets for on eBay and what right they had to tell me, a five year season ticket holder how to behave in environment that I choose to be apart of week in, week out. All of this while our ESC was yelling MetroBoys ain’t nothin’ to fuck with. I pointed at them and said they voted for me to be fan of the year, how would they feel about this?

I was not going to treat their day to an MLS game as a queue for the teacups at Disneyland. I’m not at all happy with the fact that those that go to games on the regular are now being asked to cater to those that show up to see David Beckham and the other guys from Los Angeles.

I was accused of using profanity and making a threat. I did use profane language but at no time did I make a threat.

Do you feel that security knew of you being the Fan of the Year? Could that have escalated things?

I was talking about the fact that I was a season ticket holder, and pointed at 101 and said that you guys voted for me as fan of the year as the woman went to the usher to get assistance. I knew it was going to be interesting to see how this was resolved as I didn’t expect any special treatment from the NJSEA security. Because it was a family versus myself, I thought I would be relocated to another seat or something along those lines. But after seeing 6 yellow shirted security personnel I wasn’t as sure of the outcome. They were polite and courteous to me, but there was no interest in my side of what happened. It was clear to me that they had an account from the woman or usher and that was enough for them. I offered to move to another area or leave, but they made it clear that they had already made a determination on what to do with me and that was to take me downstairs and have me ejected/banned for life.

On the way downstairs I did talk to the guys about it and how funny I thought it was that I was going to be ejected and I was fan of the year at one point. I knew the end of this would be with me ejected, never to return to Giants Stadium to see the Soccer at the Meadowlands again.

What was the NJSEA’s final verdict as a result of your alleged actions?

I was given an ejection form with a cause for ejection being improper behavior. It states that I am to mail a request for review to the Vice President of Security for a review of events and that a determination will be made about reinstating me. Unitil I am reinstated I be on any NJSEA owned/managed property without facing risk of arrest for trespassing.

What was the response from Red Bull?

I called Red Bull about this on Monday morning and spoke with someone that handles season tickets. They told me that they were already aware of this and that Andrew LaFiosca would be calling me back later but he was in a meeting. I received a call from Tim Sinclair my season ticket rep around 3 and we spoke about what had happened at length. I stated to him that NJSEA’s treatment of this situation does not change my interest in supporting Red Bull and that I was clear that this wasn’t something that they could change as NJSEA is a vertically aligned organization with unparalleled amounts of unchecked power.

In your opinion, is the ESC specifically targeted by the yellow shirt security personnel of NJSEA?

Yes. There is no question.

They use the same security personnel week in, week out. There have been no changes in their behavior over time and they continue to be rude and antagonize as video has shown from after Saturday’s game. Those that are involved seem to target the same group of core individuals first, and anyone that asks questions or gets in their way second. All of this while crowding through already cramped area to manhandle whoever they think is a problem.

There’s been countless times that they’ve gotten the wrong person for doing something and they know it. I’ve always thought that if you’re in 101 you’ve got a 50/50 shot of being taken downstairs and ejected for just being there. Many times there is no rhyme or reason for the choices that they make and it seems more like they are culling the herd rather than enforcing any sort of policy or insuring safety. The near riot that they caused this past weekend demonstrates that they are untrained to deal with a standing section, have no customer service skills, and no background in crowd management, and are not answerable to any sort of civillian review board for their actions.

We are at a point where NJSEA has proven again that they will risk safety of it’s patrons and their overall experience to get that one person that caused an offense. It is time for the state police to manage the section with the assistance of senior ESC officials that can work to manage problems before there is a need to eject people. If the status quo is maintained I sincerely fear that things will get worse and people will be injured.

As a vital part of the ESC structure, and a season ticket holder, what would you like to see get done to change not only the environment for the ESC but your own Lifetime Ban as well?

I’m not sure on the word vital, but I am a member and a vocal one.

I personally wouldn’t change anything about ESC at this time. I would say that if there was some means of getting another organization to perform security that would be very helpful. The here one day, banned for life the next with the possibility of criminal charges needs to be addressed with a civillian (meaning people from the community that are not civil servants already) review board that can look at NJSEA video from events that transpire in the section. This board would serve as a means to investigate abuse, neglect, and insuring the proper penalties for those that are ejected.

Having security performed by the state police advising those in ESC on who to warn would also be a positive step.

In terms of my own ban, I’m confident that I’ll be going to games again soon. The confidence isn’t based on anything more than common sense. Banning someone for life over the use of profanity and a disagreement is a penalty that doesn’t equal the offense. If you think it’s offensive at all.

Internally we’re doing quite a bit right now to work on organizational direction of the club. In the past five years I’ve been a member this year has been one of the best years to be a member. We’ve got many creative people that to contribute to making the section that much more visual with more banners and streamers. Some are investigating ways to work as ESC members to to do fund raisers for other great causes and another group of people have taken on feeding the masses in our pregame tailgate, and even more people are taking it upon themselves to organize road trips and step up to contribute in a manner that they think will be helpful.

There isn’t a single thing I would change at this point. I’d just get out of the way and continue to encourage this by helping or contributing. Everyone has been doing a great job this year and they should all be proud of what they are contributing to.

Banned for life for swearing. Is this another instance of power abuse by the NJSEA? Or is the use of profanity in any game reason enough to cast away a season ticket holder of 5 years? Share your thoughts with us.


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  • James k
    run...not fun.
  • James k
    It's selfish fools like Binkley who treat public events as if they are the only person in attendance that make me want to go to sporting events and movies less and less. So he helps fun the supporters club? That means he should be able to curse out a Mom in public? Sounds like a classy guy.
  • A follow up is definitely in the works. Glad to see the organization has your back.
  • Binks
    NYRB has been awesome thus far in working towards resolving this. I will be asking Dave to write a quick update with how this ends up.

    And no worries, if I'm not allowed to come back to The Meadowlands again, I will be maintaining my season ticket subscription and I'll be at the home opener in the new stadium sometime next year.
  • Andrew
    Binks:
    It's good to hear from you on this one. Ideally, NJSEA should know that they're coming into a tense situation and that their job is to separate the parties and keep the peace without exacerbating the situation. I think my earlier point stands, but you and Dave are right to say that you were railroaded there. Walking you out of the section, followed by a little talk while emotions cooled on all sides would have been a much, much better way to deal with it, and one that NJSEA should be teaching its recruits.
    This growing supporter section vs. parents with children clash is an interesting one, and one that's going to need to be sorted out sooner, rather than later, I imagine.

    Thanks for the additional thoughts, Binks, and keep us updated on your efforts. Hopefully NYRB is busting their asses to get you back in the seats.
  • and no, I am not first row.
  • There was alot of that paper throwing Saturday. Annoying kids. They like to target the 1st row . . . maybe its a kid thing.
  • Binks
    Andrew- I do agree that it would've been wise of me to get an usher, look to be reseated, or even just laave the section. But I was so floored that someone would come out and tell someone else how to behave because they made the choice to bring their kids to a sports event and I am now responsible for their ears and obviously influence their upbringing.

    Because I live in the DC area and live for my next trip back to where people are real. They are outspoken. Unafraid to speak about hotbutton topics because of mutual respect. I feel equally disrespected as I'm sure this woman and her husband do.

    Since I've had those seats in Section 107 Row 1, I've had kids make paper airplanes and throw them from behind me and get hit in the head, watch them run back and fourth in front of me and also stand in front of my seat and lean up against the wall so that they could see while obstructing my view from the seats I buy annually. Everytime, I've been at the mercy of their parents making choices about where thier responsibility lies. Where were the ushers to maintain that then? Should those kids be escorted out by 6 security guards and banned for life as well since people have been banned in ESC for throwing streamers or paper up until this past year? Of course not. But it does offer another example as to how we interpret a problem and react to it. Even though the rules are clearly defined.

    rojaynegra- I'm not interested in being politically correct. I'm interested in being honest and expressing myself. My choice to be myself rather than follow the role of the politically correct has, at times, been costly, but I do believe that my integrity is more important than not offending someone's sensitivities.
  • colin
    We have been going through this all year at our stadium. (university of utah) The supporters section has been targeted and it is getting worse and worse and very well may escalate in to a supporters/security brawl god help them. We only hope we can get through the three remaining games until we move in to our new house!!!!

    Good luck you guys!
  • rojaynegra
    binks's banning is not just outrageous but downright idiotic. but acting the way he did was just as idiotic. we live in a politically correct world. let's not forget that.
  • Jon, Sam - thanks. I appreciate your kind words.

    It does seem like the overall consensus here is siding with Binks. Its a shame something like this has to happen.
  • jon
    Dave,
    Nice job on the exclusive.
    Jon-DC
  • Sam
    Wow. Good interview (again) Dave. Keep your head up Binks, and don't stop fucking with authority!
  • Hex
    I went to a game at Highbury (Arsenal's previous stadium) and heard things (from all sexes and ages) that would make a Bleacher Creature blush.

    Same at the Meadowlands Racetrack.

    And let's not even talk about NYC transit.

    Point is, things are going to be said that you may not want young kids to hear. It's just a fact of life. Deal with it.
  • agiamba
    Here you are, Dave. It's a good article.
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...

    I know what you mean, it'd be hard to do that. I'm not suggesting that you do it over this one guy, but if all the complaints about abuse from these guys is true, they need to hear it. Fans like the ESC are the lifeblood of the team, not the once-every-two-years supporters. Not only are they a steady revenue stream, but ever been in a stadium where everyone's just kinda sitting around? It's terrible. Ultras chanting and singing makes the game better for everyone. They need to realize that their security service is routinely harrassing the heart and soul of their team.
  • blue - that is brilliant.

    Andrew - that has to be the first time someone has used the word dong around these parts - so points to you! lol The Binks situation can be looked at from a different angle, and that "dont you know who I am" thing can be annoying, but its still no reason to shut a guy down based on a one sided account of a situation. Binks never got a shot to defend himself.
  • Andrew
    Can we at least agree that, maybe, just maybe Binkley didn't help his case? I mean, yes, the lifetime ban is obviously excessive, but when I'd work as an usher or bouncer, someone popping up with "don't you know who I am? I'm the _____" usually was a good sign that they thought they were bigger, better, whatever than you.
    It sounds like NJSEA are pretty awful, but, from the other side (completely unrelated to New Jersey, NJSEA, soccer, etc.) that calm discussion gets you a lot further than trying to prove your dong's bigger.
  • bluemeanies
    Show up in Giants & Jets gear with a big sign saying 'we guess you won't touch us now'?
  • Alessio - definitely link us to that article. Its excellent.

    ESC is large in the stadium, both in numbers and in their vocal approach - and there have been rumblings of protest yet again. But to expect people who truly love their team not to show up - it takes alot. This may be the reason - but if it happens is another question all together.
  • agiamba
    Here's Greg Lalas' take on the issue-

    The Right to Free Speech During Games. Soccer's marketers spend a great deal of time worrying about how to please the soccer moms and the Prius dads -- the thick-walleted sweet-spot advertising demographic -- that if they had their way, they'd ban anything but Sierra Mist jingles during games. But sometimes something happens on the field that demands a loud, obscenity-laced tirade.

    Truth is, swearing is in the soccer fan's DNA. So is questioning the fidelity of an opponent's mother. And mocking the loyalty of opposing fans. (Side note: Truly offensive language, like the racist remarks hurled at New England's Kheli Dube a few months ago in Columbus, are not cool. Nor protected by this document.) Quashing the fans' colorful language with threats of expulsion -- does this happen at NFL games? -- threatens to sanitize the game to the point of utter blandness.
  • agiamba
    Have these people ever been to a soccer game? I'm from upstate and at several Rhinos games I've heard the players swearing, on both sides. At one point an ex-Rhino (flop) was taking a corner and the Stampede (supporters) were leaning over and screaming Rhino Reject in his face, his response "Fuck you!"

    I don't know what the ESC's percentage is in terms of attendance, but I bet it's pretty high in terms of noise. If they go forward with this lifetime ban, they should not show up to a game. I know that's borderline heresy for some of them, but a silent Giant stadium without any banners or streamers or standing fans? They'll get the picture.
  • Martha - I was thinking the same thing. From the penthouse to the garbage dump.

    And as far as Angel - wow. I went nuts. I turned to my pops and even he was astounded. What a beauty.
  • martha in miami
    Btw, what are the odds you get prestigiously interviewed for soccernet/espn.com and ejected due to *Becks/Sweargate* on the same day? lol! p.s. Angel*s goal on Miami Sports Spanish tv news show made #1, in the top 10 of the week, of the whole world, including the amazing beach tourney ones! WTG.
  • that shit is fucked up. man, fuck that shit. fuckin bitches. assholes.
  • just some dumass who continues
    stover is a former njsea employee..lets wait and see what goes on at rbp...nothing will change at the swamp. they will continue calling people spics,fatso,assholes,pieces of shit and whatever else they have in their white trash minds..
  • New Park = No NJSEA. And Eric Stover is taking into consideration the way Red Bull fans have been made to suffer because of the organizations ignorance towards the soccer culture.
  • Joseph
    yeah... I've pretty much decided against going to east rutherford for a soccer game, as I don't want to pay so much to see a game on turf, but this clinches it.

    It's their stadium, their rules. I'm sure this superfan will get reinstated. Also things will likely be better at the new park.
  • martha in miami
    oops thats *Afusionado*! Also ONLY cops went into crowds quickly in and out, after the 1st game snafu. Now in Orange Bowl, may it rest in peace, after 9.11, cops in riot gear with police dogs lining the field. NOBODY messes with that, plus you have about 70k whom stand, cheer, beat drums for the full 90! Ofcourse were more like you are in S.A. anyway, lol, but the fan damage was permanent in Ft. Lauderdale. WORD to the new RBP!
  • martha in miami
    Since when cant you swear in Jersey? WT being a lady I cant type it, lol! The Fusion learned after opening day racist sec. and immediately made 2 rabid fan zones, i.e. normal in the rest of the world, behind each goal in our SSS. Plus a passionate, i.e. standing up at times, season tix at the center line seats and had staff members throughout as ushers to mediate. I kept many an*Afuisonado* from the cops saying *No its okay, hes my friend, I know him!* Gringa liason! Never sold out again though.
  • cg
    i could maybe understand if the guy was harassing someone in the stands. but he wasnt. this is bullshit, some ppl dont think cursing,(i would say most actually) is bad so these bitch fucking comittees need to understand where their bread is coming from!
  • nolayuprule
    I think they are trying to stifle our sexiness. Its too much for these suburban wives to handle. And their daughters! Forgetaboutit.

    we are too much man, clearly. They have to stick the NJ goon squad on us.

    but this sexy is too pure, to powerful. ;)
  • Irish Apple - ouch. That is some tough treatment. i wonder if a Giants fan with a foam finger and a couple of rally towels would have gotten the same.

    NLR - my section is right in the middle of the pitch. So god forbid I stand up with my 6'2" 240 lb frame. MLS is trying to tow the line between family friendly and soccer purist - but the problem is the two mix like oil and water.
  • irishapple21
    This reminds me of a time when I asked a yellow shirt guy a question about how to enter the stadium during an international doubleheader. I was wearing my club gear -- shirt, scarf, hat, banner as cape, etc. -- and the yellow shirt asked me if I was ESC. I told him that I was RagingBullNation, but he still looked at me like I was a bit of excrement on his Walmart-brand boots. These security guys are scum.
  • nolayuprule
    all I can say is good riddance to giants stadium and their astroturf bs.

    Cant wait for the RBs to have a stadium of their own.

    Its not at all the same thing but I got in a few verbal arguments with people at the USA/Argentina game.

    Messi is kicking a corner from a position 15 feet from me or the action has moved to my corner of the field and Im on my feet. And Im bombarded with "DOwn in front" and "I cant see" from the migets around me.

    Tough shit if you cant see. You should be on your feet too!

    I dont know how fans of a sport like this think its ok to protest when a fan stands - or in this case an entire area of fans - to see the action on the field just below the wall they are seated at?

    OK, Im glad we dont have the soccer violence and stuff they have elsewhere but I also wouldnt mind a touch less constipated American fandom and more of the passionate soccer fan thats everywhere else in the universe.

    Hell, Im used to Italian games where swearing is the only verbal exchange made from the moment you walk into the stadium. And thats just the words, not even mentioning the gestures!

    Grow up USA, we are not Puritans any longer. swear a little. show some tits on tv. its ok!
  • GREG IS A KELLERMAN SOLDIER! REPORTING FOR DUTY SIR!

    Totally agreed brother. You "sook"!
  • I have a problem when they quantify words like "suck" as curses. You can't even shout "Hey, *insert last name of outfielder* you suck!" When did SUCK become a curse? Max Kellerman even gets shit for saying "suck" on his radio show in NY, he says "sook"! What is this world coming to?
  • Greg - I hear ya. But in Yankees stadium, they STRICLTY enforce language laws - I know since i go to a dozen or so games a year. There are signs, announcments over the loud speaker - all that jazz.

    But in a section that chants out "YOU SUCK ASSHOLE" after a keeper launches one to midfield, or when one of their favorite songs goes "what do you think of shit? *random team name*; what do you think of *random team name*? shit," it does seem like a double standard.
  • I was going to mention that Anderson, but Ives did a great job highlighting that. And Anthony - I have heard horror stories before man. Really insane stuff happening there.

    As a hispanic, if there were solid proof of the conduct against minorities, i would love to highlight it.
  • Andersen
    Dont forget binks was profiled by soccernet earlier that day.

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/c...
  • Anthony
    I could give a laundry list of behavior i have witnessed from NJSEA personel over the past few seasons that would shock any reasonable reader. From calling latinos spics, to harsassing minorities who dont speak english, to overhearing convorsations betwwen guards and their suervisors glorifying beatin gup fans and wanting to go kick someones ass because they are bored, to detaining people for wearing a shirt becasue it made fun of "Tough Guys %5.50 per hour" then telling them it doesnt matter if they didnt do anything wrong because they would just make it up, to my muslim collegue in law school who was falsely imprissioned for praying and interogated by NJSEA staff....i could go on and on.
  • Dude, I was in the RF bleachers at a Yankees-Sox game a few weeks back (the 10 inning Sunday night game) and the police were fucking RIDICULOUS. A dude in a Red Sox shirt with long red hair and a bandana walked by and a group of dudes behind us started saying "Hey, Axl! Hey, Axl Rose!" And the stupid cops tossed the kids for accusing them for calling the guy an "asshole." The dude even walked by with a SMIRK ON HIS FACE, AND took it so far as to come down himself when he saw they were getting tossed and argue on behalf of the kids. This was all to no avail and we witnessed a number of further ejections as well as reprimands to "behave." I went to college in NY from 2000-2004 and had the 16 game package for the bleachers. It was tame then, with no alcohol and a police presence even for day games. Now, it's a fucking kiddy park.
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