Comments on: Red Bull Arena Won’t Open Until 2010

By: Conrad

Conrad — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:13:46 +0000

Chris: There’s no need to make an ad hominem attack if you disagree with my politics. But I don’t understand exactly what you’re saying. First of all: “Dems always say government spending grows the economy.” This is not true; everybody says this, not just Dems. To get out of a recession, governments spend money; this is axiomatic. Disagreeing with this is like disagreeing with supply and demand. (From the recent NYT Magazine article by David Leonhardt: “For the bill to provide effective stimulus, it simply has to spend money — quickly. Employing people to dig ditches and fill them up again would qualify.”) Obviously, digging ditches won’t grow an economy. But it might help with Red Bull Arena. Just imagine if the arena were a public-works project: thousands could be employed in its construction!
And as for Dave’s suggestion that the stimulus has been “wasted away,” well, that wasn’t Obama’s stimulus. You’re talking about the banking bailout, which was, from what I can tell, a no-strings-attached to the very institution that got us into this mess in the first place.

By: Dave Martinez

Dave Martinez — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:35:48 +0000

Politics Rock.

By: CUCS

CUCS — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:33:30 +0000

They shouldn’t have wasted time and money on the stupid webcam to watch a stadium NOT get built.

By: Steven

Steven — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:54:38 +0000

Nothing like a little insight from the economic gurus of Redbulls Offside to put things in perspective. For real? Chris? Really? Conrad? Look lads, don’t get caught up in the noise. We lack a stadium and if you really want to be fodder in the PR game played between the Man and private mega-company, have fun. Redbull wants a piece of the public 825 bill, NJ doesn’t want to renegotiate. You’ll win your argument on either side…plenty of mud for everyone.

We’ve been in a crappy stadium for how long?..and now one more year. A shame. Redbulls won’t see 25000 fans hollering daily until they get the new stadium. Period. Get it done and leave us out of it. I’ll speak with a season ticket package when it’s done.

By: Chris

Chris — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:33:38 +0000

Ok now my rant,

Conrad is way off base and shows an ignorance for basic economics.

Dems always say government spending grows the economy. But lets use that organ between our shoulders for a second shall we?… where does the governments money come from? Duh, from the private sector. So when the government creates “New” jobs, it really just takes the jobs from the private sector and makes them public…thats not new jobs, just the same jobs shifted around.

So what if we borrow the money…well if we borrow it from Americans its just again, taking money from the private sector and making it public.

So we can borrow from China, India, and the UAE but with $10 Trillion in debt and the social security and medicare running like $50 trillion in unfunded liabilities does that really sound like a “good” idea?

Economic growth is defined as an increase in production. So we need to make the American people more productive. So the “real” way to grow the economy is to create incentive. That means cutting taxes to give the people a monetary incentive to be more productive.

Sorry Conrad. Big government can’t get us out of the recession. Only the American people can.

It really looks like its gonna be a bad 4 years because Obama and his staff don’t understand this.

rant over.

By: Dave Martinez

Dave Martinez — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:21:06 +0000

lol Conrad – points accepted and applauded for their clarity. Red Bull does deserve blame as well, mainly for thinking they can do this on time with the history of Jersey red tape. I agree with that.

And I agree that public works have produced alot of good over the years. But todays government spends and pleads like a teenager in need of a third xbox. Look at the way the money used for the stimulus has already been wasted away. Government lately has just thrown money at problems and hope for the best, and doing more of that will help nothing.

I also don’t blame the past 8 years alone. Its a culmination of at least 20 years of bad government management.

But that is my rant. lol.

To keep everyone sane(including myself), remember – EVENTUALLY we will have our own stadium. And the skeleton is there for everyone to see. So that is better than 5 years ago, where this exact thing was happening, but there was no arena in sight.

By: Conrad

Conrad — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:59:19 +0000

Your “big government” rant is off-base. You’re quoting Ives, who, while maybe a nice guy, is half-journalist, half-Red Bull public-relations stooge. Unnamed sources (one guess as to which Austrian energy-drink conglomerate they work for) blame “government red tape.” Really. And not Red Bull trying to renegotiate terms now that the economy is in the toilet?
You’d better get used to big government. It’s what built the highways, what created national parks, what made Hoover Dam. And it’s what’s going to pull us out of the mess of the last eight years. (Sorry, that was a rant. But you get me started! And I do love the Red Bulls, and I’m dying for the stadium. But I can wait till the start of the 2010 season. I’m a grown-up.)

By: Dave Martinez

Dave Martinez — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:03:12 +0000

And Alex sums it up. Absolutely on point.

By: Alex

Alex — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:53:40 +0000

And the pain of this offseason is only compounded by the fact that it comes right after the best season we’ve ever had…

By: Dave Martinez

Dave Martinez — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:36:59 +0000

Stupid Offseason!!!!!!! YES! WORST!